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When a teacher says her kids are great...
Old 04-25-2019, 04:44 AM
 
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When a teacher writes in her sub lessons that are kids are great.......it never rings true.


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Old 04-25-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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And yet, maybe it is. Of course, they are not going to be the same with someone new, who doesn’t know their classroom culture...

My kids are great, yet last time I left them with a sub, I came back to find out they pretty much all used the printer/copier in my room to copy half made signs they were making over and over. Supposedly they thought that would make them better. I came back and was livid! What person thought this was okay? Of course, it is on them. I never let them make copies of anything. Why did they think they could? YI yi yi.

They are still good kids.
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One day I was doing a floater day and had a fifth grade class for about an hour. The teacher wrote, "This is a great class." Well, I didn't see it. Talking out, disrespectful, etc. I wrote in my note, "I wish they had shown me their greatness."
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What you're saying is often, although not always true.

Every so often, a sub likes a class more than a regular teacher. I'll never forget the time several years ago when I subbed fifth grade. The class was a bit active, but they were nice kids. We got a lot of work done, and I left with a very good feeling. I saw the regular teacher a month or two later, and told her how much I enjoyed her class. I told her she had a nice group. She looked shocked, and politely disagreed with me.

This teacher was a wonderful person who was always friendly, but I later discovered that she preferred younger students. She later taught first and second grade, and seemed to be much happier.
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Old 04-25-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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It’s right up there with “the students know what to do.”


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The one thing you can be sure of...
Old 04-26-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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is that you can't be sure of anything. I've had the opposite experience, a teacher who admits (usually in code) that her class is "chatty" or "busy" and I find them anything but.

I've also had situations where the kids predicted to be the big problems were comparative angels.

Chaos theory. We (subs) are a change in the dynamic. But there's a bunch of other variables... it makes sense to be prepared for anything.
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I always take opinions on behavior written in the plans as exactly that... Opinions.

Like mainesub mentioned, sometimes they can be labeled as "bad" students and actually behave quite respectfully.

You never know what might happen. Expect the unexpected.
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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Usually, the comment of having a great class is accompanied by the caveat that they can be chatty.


I got a plan many years ago that read her kids were great, so don't you dare raise your voice at them.
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These really go all over the place. Friday I had two kids who were “ good kids but they get distracted. I am hoping they will have incentive today to stick with the lesson plan,” which consisted of them doing “research” on their phones. No, I kicked them out because they couldn’t be quiet or stop distracting other students who were actually working.

Usually a teacher will say this class is really bad at transitions or they need a lot of redirection and it will be the other period who is like that and the supposedly crappy class is on task. I have also had the “nightmare class” that everyone I meet will give me pity for and they end being funny. Usually they are a little hard to control, but my style sometimes works with classes like that. The honest answers usually come from the students who will volunteer information about how this or that class is going to go.

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Old 04-28-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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When a teacher writes in her sub lessons that are kids are great.......it never rings true.
The next time I am back in the building I'll do a slow walk past that classroom to see how really great they are. Sometimes they are; often times they are not.


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Old 04-28-2019, 07:22 PM
 
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Usually, the comment of having a great class is accompanied by the caveat that they can be chatty.
Yep!!

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Chaos theory. We (subs) are a change in the dynamic.
Also a good point.

And I do sometimes find that kids flip roles. An unexpected kid is surprisingly difficult, and the one the regular teacher warns me about takes advantage of the fresh start to have a great day.
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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And I do sometimes find that kids flip roles. An unexpected kid is surprisingly difficult, and the one the regular teacher warns me about takes advantage of the fresh start to have a great day.
This is so true! I often find the teacher's pet has an attitude while a so-called "difficult" student will try really hard to please and get a fresh start. I tend to give everyone the benefit of a doubt from the start and let them show me what they can do.
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Quote: It’s right up there with “the students know what to do.”

Yep. In both cases I heave a mental sigh and prepare for a difficult day.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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I used to sub so I have never in my teaching career wrote "the kids know what to do". That's crap.

I have written, "My kids are great, but chatty".
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Why is it always the same word...
Old 05-07-2019, 03:32 AM
 
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I guess this could be a separate post, but I always wondered why the only word teachers ever seemed to use for kids who talk too much is "chatty." Never "they're very talkative" or "They may talk too much" or "They are loquacious" (lol) but always "chatty." It made me wonder if all education programs across the country instructed teachers-to-be to only use the word chatty. Lol.
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So true. Why do they write anything?
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:43 AM
 
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Why do they write anything?
. In lieu of leaving specific information about behaviors that the sub needs to know, they say the kids are good. Then you know there isn't anything left out on purpose. So I either say, "Little Johnny is on a behavior plan. When he starts flipping desks, please ignore him as the episode ends faster that way than giving him attention." or I say "Its a great group of kids."

Happily, my last sub who had my class a week told me how great they were (and how nice my plans were.) Retired teacher and I believed her.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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I am a 4th grade teacher that subbed a lot while going to school. Kids are kids. When their routines are changed they don’t act the same. It makes many nervous that the sub does not know how they normally do things. I usually would start the day with a little talk about how their teacher had a very important thing they had to do and that we needed to try our best to get everything done on our list that she left us. It seemed to help them to know she left instructions. I would often include them in the reading of the list. I would say, “Okay, let’s check our list.” It made them feel they were part of taking care of things while the teacher was gone.
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