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I'm at a private school in Washington State. The superintendent from OSPI announced yesterday that he hopes we go back in person in the fall but that masks will be required for staff and students. I don't mind wearing a mask to go into a store but all day teaching is going to be difficult. I feel like I can't breath after 20 min. Our principal also stated that she thinks it will be until they come up with a vaccine. I then asked if it would be required to get the vaccine to work. I'm not anti vaccine but I'm concerned about the tracking and being unproven. What are you hearing for your job? What do you think about this?


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I am dreading the all day mask thing as well. My district has already said they're required. I keep holding out hope that by August some research will come out that says they aren't really that helpful, but I doubt it. They are required everywhere in my state and the governor is constantly going on and on about the importance of masks. Today I did some shopping in multiple stores at an outlet mall. It was the longest I'd ever worn my mask, and even then it was maybe 2 hours. It's so miserable having it on.

I had more shopping to do, but went home because I was so sick of wearing the mask. And this is just walking around by myself- it's going to be worse teaching in it! I really worry about how on earth I'm going to wear a mask for 8+ hours per day at school.

Originally they said kids would also have to wear them and now they're walking back on that (at the state level) and saying it should be recommended but not required. While part of me is glad I won't have to police kids in masks all day, that's also frustrating because my mask doesn't protect me. So I have to wear one to protect the kids, but they don't have to wear one to protect me? Especially since adults aren't the ones sneezing and coughing in people's faces- kids are!

I want to go back to in person learning, and I think we will, but if some of these crazy strict precautions are really going to be expected I'd honestly rather teach online. Not just the masks all day, but some of the suggestions to have kids spaced apart all day, kids sitting at their own desk all day, no lunch/recess, etc.
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Cloth masks protect OTHERS from larger droplets going outward. N95 masks have layers that insulate you and a one-way valve that allows viruses to vent outward. N95s protect the wearer, not necessarily those surrounding them.

You may want to invest in N95s for the fall, especially if the children are not masked. N95s have a band or two that goes behind the head rather than pulling off the ears.

Some medical workers wear a cloth mask over the N95 to keep it clean and give a some protection for others.

DH trained as a respiratory therapist.
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So what exactly do you want your school to do? Are you hoping to return without masks and just make an attempt at social distancing and hand washing? I'm asking this seriously. Should we act like all is normal and just hope? Should we have parents sign a waiver releasing school districts from any COVID liability? I think that may be a real and perhaps necessary option.

I see that the Republican Party now wants its delegates and attendees at Trump's biggest, greatest, most stupendous ever acceptance speech in Jacksonville to sign a waiver releasing the RNC from any financial and legal liability if COVID spreads during the cheek to jowl frenzy. Interesting since the powers that be punished Charlotte and slammed the governor of NC for making requests for a scaled back convention with reasonable safety measures.
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So what exactly do you want your school to do?
This is where I am. What do I want? I want to go back, but the precautions seem overwhelming. But what is the option? I donít see going back without the precautions. Iím really getting very stressed about it.

My friend reopened her preschool this week. She had to do full precautions with her 2-5 year olds. Iím going to be interested in hearing how it went. She told me she locked herself in the bathroom and ďugly criedĒ after she and her staff put away most of the toys and set up the classroom for social distancing. She focuses heavily on community and cooperation. Now she has to teach the kids to stay away from each other and stop sharing. Iím concerned about masks, etc, but Iím also concerned about some of the changes we will have to make in our procedures.

This is going to be so hard. Iím thankful that we all have the support of our fellow PTers.


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This is definitely a difficult situation. I think not wanting to necessarily require kids to wear masks Is because of the money the district would probably have to cough up to provide them. You know they would have to even if some families can provide their own. Having to police the kids in wearing them all day also takes away from teaching time.

However, Haley has a good point that teachers need to wear them to protect the kids, but the kids don’t need to protect the teachers? The teachers are the ones most vulnerable to contacting the virus, and kids are the ones to more likely cough and sneeze in people’s faces, touch their faces, and everything else.

People have been saying that the kids need to be back in school for socialization, but the school they would have to come back to would not provide the socialization they need if they want to make things as safe as possible.

Most teachers here seem to want to go back in the fall. I will be very honest in saying that I don’t want to go back this way. I have been looking for online jobs to try to get out of it, but I will go back if nothing comes up because I will have to.
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The CDC has admitted to padding numbers, the WHO has said it does not spread asympyomatic, doctors and nurses everywhere are saying it was not, is not, and will not be as bad as they say. Studies have been comp,eyed that kids are more likely to,get struck by lightening than get really sick by Covid! Wash your hand, sick kids and teachers need to stay home. I think the real problem is that many school will send sick kids back to class if parents canít/wonít come pick them up and then allow them in school the next day. Fix that and we should all be fine.
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However, Haley has a good point that teachers need to wear them to protect the kids, but the kids donít need to protect the teachers? The teachers are the ones most vulnerable to contacting the virus, and kids are the ones to more likely cough and sneeze in peopleís faces, touch their faces, and everything else.
This is what I keep going back to. If I am the one that needs the protection, and the kids don't have to wear a mask, shouldn't I be able to decide whether to wear one or not?
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he WHO has said it does not spread asympyomatic,
They said asymptomatic transmission is rare, but it is also important to know that "asymptomatic" has a specific definition of tested positive and *never* showed symptoms.

*PRE*symptomatic positive people can transmit the virus and so can mildly symptomatic people.

The comment that all the media outlets began running as definitive fact was based on an answer to a reporter's specific question and was never intended to be a policy statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...wpisrc=nl_most

Masks are still an essential part of the defense against spread. It's not mask OR distancing. It's masks AND.

https://www.sfgate.com/science/artic...90XuNDjwUKCjQI

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/5...asks-debunked/


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doctors and nurses everywhere are saying it was not, is not, and will not be as bad as they
This is just flat out false. Every medical professional I know has been being the social distancing and masking drum pretty consistently, including one immunologist I know whose entire research project was put on hold so he could work on covid. And doctors and nurses have written opinions and explainers everywhere about the importance of precautions.
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it! I really worry about how on earth I'm going to wear a mask for 8+ hours per day at school.
We'll just get over it and do it. That's what thousands of medical professionals and "essential workers" have done. We can do it too.

Will it be easy? No. Will I like it? No. Will I eventually get over it and deal? Yes.


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My state released guidelines this past week and it discussed mask wearing in the guidelines. The guidelines are just the, guidelines, it’s up to each individual district to make their own plans. However, the state is saying we will go back as normal, there aren’t any hybrid or online options discussed in the 143 page document. Though, my state does have a robust online schooll option already available for any parent.

I also have a strong feeling that within the beginning of year paperwork for parents to fill out there will be a waiver involving Covid. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make teachers sign it as well.

I attached a picture of what the plan says regarding masks. They are not recommending the be required but that they’re optional.
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Old 06-14-2020, 06:15 AM
 
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Here is what the state is saying regarding how to structure the school day for K-12... it leaves a lot of room for districts to basically structure things how they want. Still waiting to hear anything from my district.
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So far schools in my area are planning to go back pretty much as normal with a few more precautions. Students whose parents are concerned and wish for their children to not return can sign their children up for virtual classes; however, those students will not be able to participate in say athletics. If one is concerned about people not wearing masks during the school day, then physical contact without masks is that on steroids.
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(since we are in a smallish, rural school with very few cases in the area,) IF Summer school is successful with the precautions in place, we will begin in August as planned with those same minimal precautions in place.

We had our "make-up/substitute" prom date last week-- we suggested those who are concerned can wear masks but they were not required. Only two out of about 40-50 people masked (two staff-zero students.) We chatted, ate our meal and the kids mingled and danced as usual.
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The CDC has admitted to padding numbers, the WHO has said it does not spread asympyomatic, doctors and nurses everywhere are saying it was not, is not, and will not be as bad as they say. Studies have been comp,eyed that kids are more likely to,get struck by lightening than get really sick by Covid! Wash your hand, sick kids and teachers need to stay home. I think the real problem is that many school will send sick kids back to class if parents can’t/won’t come pick them up and then allow them in school the next day. Fix that and we should all be fine.
My family and friends, who are physicians, have said the opposite of "saying it will not be as bad as they say". Please either link the info before spreading information like that. Covid is NOT something to take lightly and honestly, it sounds like you're misinformed. I also say this respectfully: try to read up on science and data before saying things like that.


Also, kids should be wearing masks if coming to school. It's important for ALL parties considered: staff, students, teachers. That's the only way we can make the hybrid model work. At our goodbye parade thing - our principal made the mask thing like a contest and it was incredible to see the parents/kids wearing masks because they know it's what needs to be done for safety of all. Will we have push back? Probably for some and that's why distance learning will still be an option.
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Agreed with all you stated.
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I have talked with several medical professionals and they report that they wear a mask in when seeing a patient and then take the mask off and replace. If you are in surgery you would be wearing one for a longer period but we are being asked to wear one for hours and hours. I don't mind doing what is needed to keep everyone safe but I just want the science to agree on best practices.
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but we are being asked to wear one for hours and hours.
How often are you with your students for hours and hours? Wear it for an hour, take a breather (use earloops to lower the mask) put it back on (again via earloops or ties), wash or sanitize your hands. Do it in the hallway for a minute if you have to.

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The overwhelming majority of scientists agree on masking. You will never get 100% agreement on anything. But if you read the studies that are being done, masking is effective.

It is not 100% effective, but it is useful for reducing spread. Did you read the articles I posted?
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I've already discussed this with my administrator. Yes, we will be asked to wear the mask for hours at a time. No, I will not be able to lower it at will to take a breath. I'm in a portable so there is no hallway to step into. My students will not be able to rotate to another room for specialist times as I did before so I will be with my class for hours at a time in a classroom. As far as recess they are unsure as what will happen. Am I reading the articles, of coarse I am, along with many others too. Do I see disagreement in the articles? Yes, I do. I am also seeing some adverse affects from long term mask wearing. I want what is best and healthy for my students, staff, and myself.
Here is an article where scientists disagree on the benefits of face masks:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...pert-says.aspx
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How often are you with your students for hours and hours? Wear it for an hour, take a breather (use earloops to lower the mask) put it back on (again via earloops or ties), wash or sanitize your hands. Do it in the hallway for a minute if you have to.
Are you serious? What elementary teacher ISN'T with students for hours and hours? My schedule for the past couple of years has been planning first thing, students from 8:45-12:30, lunch until 1:10, and then students until 3:00. After school I did an hour of tutoring from 3:15-4:15.

Not to mention, most of the absurd "precautions" being thrown around involve students staying in the classroom all day long, including for lunch. No one mentions how teachers are supposed to get any duty free lunch or planning time. At my school, there is a lot of required team planning, meetings, "collaboration" etc. so even if there is a planning time, it wouldn't be alone in your room where you can take off your mask. Lunch would be the only time to do that. A primary teacher can't just leave their class to take off their mask, even for a minute.

Yes, other professions require them, but not for hours and hours on end. They can pull them down or take them off any time they're not around customers/clients/patients. I also touch my face WAY more when I'm wearing a mask. Yes, I wear it, but I'm not convinced it's actually any safer. The supposed research is if people wear them perfectly all of the time and never touch them, and that's just not how real life works.

If the reason it's supposedly safe to open schools is that kids aren't at risk nor are they carriers, then requiring a teacher to wear a mask when she is alone with her students who are not wearing masks doesn't make sense. She's the one at risk and the mask doesn't protect her. Even if we go with the unequal idea that we need to protect the kids and not the teacher, therefore the teacher needs to wear the mask to protect them, that still makes no sense because the kids are all exposed to each other without masks. One masked adult in a room of 25+ isn't going to make a difference. Requiring them for meetings where adults are within 6 feet of each other and perhaps for walking in the hallway would make more sense.
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I'm not going to argue the validity of masks or not.

But every guideline I've seen says that schools will make decisions that work best for their community and that the guidelines are just that, guidelines. My state has "required" and "recommended." The required seem reasonable.

I highly doubt any school is going to ask teachers to be in a single room with children for 7 hours straight without a break. It's ridiculous to even consider let alone panic over at this point.

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Are you serious? What elementary teacher ISN'T with students for hours and hours? My schedule for the past couple of years has been planning first thing, students from 8:45-12:30, lunch until 1:10, and then students until 3:00. After school I did an hour of tutoring from 3:15-4:15.
And you were never at any point able to be far enough away from the children for a minute?
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