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Old 09-26-2020, 11:58 AM
 
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What is a "normal" range of minutes in your area with a mild/moderate student with a learning disability? I know it's supposed to individualized, but an average.

At my school we've always given tons more minutes than anyone else in the district, and this has now come to light with all of the schools mixing in the "e-learning school" for those who have chosen that. In my school, an average for reading minutes is 2-3 hours per week and math is 1-2 hours per week.

Perhaps my perception is skewed because I've always worked in title 1 schools. Normally kids in title 1 groups get 30-45 minutes of intervention daily. If we're saying they get an IEP because they didn't make adequate progress with that intervention, how can I then add less minutes than that to the IEP? My school does squat for math (working on it- the pandemic interrupted that) as far as out of class intervention, so anything I add to the IEP for math ends up being "more."

Meanwhile, the other schools are only doing 30 or sometimes 60 minutes per week for reading. For a kid that has both reading and math, 90 minutes total per week seems to be the maximum. I know they also spend more time meeting and planning with teachers while my entire day is instruction.

Just wondering if I'm the "weird" one or if they are. I have always been somewhat annoyed that I put all of this time in while all of the other providers (SLP, OT, mental health, etc.) see their students 1-2x per week max. But in the past few years especially the expectation is that my kids will make as much growth as students without disabilities (I have to have a SLO based on grade level text), and the only prayer my students have of meeting that is if they get a ton of intervention.


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Old 09-26-2020, 02:49 PM
 
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My students would typically receive 225 minutes per week for reading/writing and 120 minutes per week for for math. There were a few with more/less minutes as needed. This is pretty standard throughout my district.

Are you other schools doing a co-teaching model? Iím not even sure how that is reflected in SDI minutes.
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Years ago the district kept bringing in co-teaching gurus and expecting us to do it. We had nowhere near the staff necessary to even think about it. My school never even started, a few did and realized quickly it just didn't work at all, and one school stuck with it for a long time. They were supposed to have a center-based program for "moderate" students, so they had way more sped teachers. Instead of running this program as intended, they used their staff numbers to try to do "real" co-teaching. About 2 years ago my director made them stop that. So long story short, no, no one does co-teaching now.

The way my director staffs sped teams has always driven me crazy. Sped teachers are in a similar ratio to people like school psychs and SLPs, who only see their students for 30 minutes per week. Psychs don't case manage at all and SLPs only case manage speech-only students. Meanwhile I am case managing most of the school AND seeing each of my kids for 2-4 hours per week, and doing just as much formal testing/eval stuff as they are, if not more. There should be way more sped teachers than other positions, IMO. I love my teammates and I'm glad they're there- not trying to get rid of them, just trying to get more people like me . Then I look at these other schools and wonder if I'm the one doing things wrong- maybe I should just be doing 30-60 minutes per week if that's how we're going to staff things.
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Old 09-26-2020, 08:33 PM
 
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My district has been much more like what you are doing, Haley. The kids need services in order to progress. For such a fundamental skill as reading, once or twice a week just isn't going to accomplish what is needed. Reading needs to be daily, in most cases. So 225 minutes (or whatever 5 x the length of a period is in your school).
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My building does heavy in-class support. We don’t call it co-teaching, bc there is no actual “say” in planning. But each special education teacher also has self-contained classes plus tutoring hours after school.

Our special education teachers bear the brunt of the weight. Psychs and social workers do not see kids, but are used more clerically as evaluators and meeting organizers for children in the problem solving process. Once the child has an IEP, they wash their hands of them. Our speech person only manages student with Speech IEPS.

Our special education folks do everything else. We have one person per grade level in this capacity, plus an aide for each of them. I think they’re extremely overworked and under supported. They are fabulous people who work their butts off...long after general education staff has left, especially this year.

I don’t mean to diminish what general education teacher do - we are all working our tails off! But I think that how it looks varies by school, and by district, and it varies because we all interpret laws and regulations differently (to our greatest benefit, lol).


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Old 09-30-2020, 06:39 PM
 
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In our building, IEPs are typically serviced during our RTI ELA and math blocks. Those are 1 hour for ELA and 50 minutes for math. For ELA, there is additional time in gen ed reading or writing. For math, that is the full math block time, so other than rare occasions when resource room is closed, they are not in gen ed math.

(Approx 300 min ELA, 250 for math per week)

Students who have reading or writing but not both - it's usually 30-45 min/day.
Social skills I'm not exactly sure because I'm a reading specialist, but I believe they generally have a social skills group once a week for 20 minutes. Our speech teacher is shared by 2 K-5 schools with a total student population of 1200 kids, so he's seeing kids once a week for 20-30 minutes, which is the best he can fit in right now.
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Old 10-02-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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150 min of math a week and anywhere between 150-225 min/rdg/LA a week. My new district does thing called inclusion facilitator that I've never seen before.That's 30 min/week. It's ridiculous.
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:57 PM
 
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Thanks everyone. I currently have about 25 students, but up to 35 is normal for a sped teacher in my district/my area in general. Meanwhile related providers like SLPs have like 35-40 in my district (much lower than the other districts in the area). No one seems to get the difference between seeing kids for 30 minutes per week and 3-5 hours per week . I think other sped teachers in the district have started giving so few minutes because that's what they see everyone else who has similar caseloads doing.
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