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straight out of our local newspaper I don't believe it
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.... A call out to the community to help with the substitute teacher shortage." We are hoping they consider getting into education and maybe discover a real positive experience working with young people."
I did not know this, the state is waiving the bachelor degree requirement for substitute permits. Here is the best part, " The ultimate goal, and the most important thing,is providing students the very best educational experience."



Did I miss something here, we don't require anymore than a high school dipoloma. I'm sure any recent high school grad could walk into a typical middle school and have great classroom management at their fingetips. I can't believe this.


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Expect to see this across the board...
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...in all fields as the shortages run rampant in healthcare, transportation, and anywhere else with over 100 employees. Not to mention the shortages already present prior to the vaccine mandates due to endless government handouts. And now boosters upon boosters are the next push, regardless of their efficacy. Glad someone is profitting from this. I hope that those who voted for this madness enjoy the bed that they made. If elections end up being federalized, this is only the beginning of our new socialist "utopia".

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." ~Ayn Rand
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Newspaper ran a retraction they incorrectly reported that a bachelors degree would not be required for substitute teachers, whew! It now makes it a little better. On a good note they raised LTA from $200 to $240 that is $60 above the daily rate. It is a start. I live in one of the least affordable counties in California. Fortunately, I bought a house many many years ago, I couldn't now.
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thank prop 13
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if they revoke prop 13 you wont be there for long, I left in 2005, I miss norcal, but living in the united states is better...lol
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...in all fields as the shortages run rampant in healthcare, transportation, and anywhere else with over 100 employees. Not to mention the shortages already present prior to the vaccine mandates due to endless government handouts. And now boosters upon boosters are the next push, regardless of their efficacy. Glad someone is profitting from this. I hope that those who voted for this madness enjoy the bed that they made. If elections end up being federalized, this is only the beginning of our new socialist "utopia".

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." ~Ayn Rand
You sound like one of these parents who are protesting at school board meetings. If everyone student was wearing a clean mask correctly everyday, and the majority of people were vaccinated, we would still be putting up with this pandemic. The vaccines work, the booster shots work, masks work. My wife has already received her booster shot. I will have to wait because I got the Moderna vaccine.

Voted for what? Anyone who voted for Trump or Biden voted for vaccines and boosters. Elections are under state jurisdiction and any changes require an amendment. You would be better off if you avoid the right wing sources propaganda where you appear to get your false information.


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Not sure the substitute teaching shortage has anything to do with "socialism." That's an odd thing to blame it on.

The sub shortage has a lot more to do with people not being interested in poor working conditions. Or working in a school during a pandemic while being part of a high risk demographic. Or being constantly hounded to get certified. Etc...

Wish everything wasn't so heavily politicized these days. Really makes me miss the more carefree 80's and 90's mentality.

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I'm glad it was a mistake. I think subs should have a degree so they're exposed to more people with an education. Many students, such as myself as a kid, only see adults with an education when at school.

I'm the only one in my family of 2 parents and 5 kids to have a HIGH SCHOOL diploma.
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Qualifications for substituting
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Idaho has never required anything beyond a high school diploma in order to substitute.

So imagine the myriad individuals who have rotated through classrooms.
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The disgusting behavior of students these days is a major part of the problem. I'm long-term subbing in an English Literature class where few of the students read a book in or outside of class, EVEN THE AP LITERATURE CLASS.

The seniors in the class are as bad as 4th graders. You really have to ask what is going on. I do my best, but come on, when seniors can't even act like adults, and this has been a problem over the past decade I've been going to the school, so it's nothing new.

For many of the people running these schools, it's nothing more than a paycheck. They don't care.
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No one on this board can use socialism correctly.



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Students know they can just "blame the sub" if their work wasn't completed while the teacher was away, or if they purposely decided to cause a scene.

They're rarely held accountable anymore for behaviors unless they're severe. Especially at the Jr./Sr. High level.

A lot of schools are too dysfunctional to effectively implement a fair and consistent discipline system at all, and it shows.

Or who knows, maybe they're just afraid of being sued by angry parents. Everything is a lawsuit waiting to happen these days.

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Please don't be one of those.
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My last post was directed to @Fractured.
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It's about money. Schools want to keep as many students as possible so they can get the money and many administrators are following Sam Walton's "The customer is always right" nonsense. It's a disaster. You have kids talking trash to teachers, acting like they're going to be millionaires out of school, only to find out the hard way that all the people in the music industry and the media were lying to them. It's really sad and tragic.

The entertainment industry and media in many Western countries is absolute garbage. There is no regulation of them. Compare people from countries where TV and music is mostly positive and their attitude and outlook on life is so much better. It's a shame.
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I totally agree subusaus. Worked in 5th grade, they were not be able to multiply 3x52, don't know their times tables, in 5th grade. It was so frustrating and very sad at the same time.
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I think you have to try different schools until you find one that works for you. The students at my school know they can't blame the sub and it is well run. Keep looking and when you find a good one, stick with them only. You might not work every single day, but it's well worth it to be well known at the school you work at.
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Same Poor Education Here Norcal
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I had middle school students pulling out multiplication charts because they didn't know their times tables. An eighth grade math teacher was telling her students to use their calculator for everything, even 1x1! What a way to inspire intellectual confidence! I am so glad I pulled my kids from public school. I am grateful that we still have that choice. ( I am sure that will be next on the chopping block...) It's an absolute disaster and yes the behaviors are deteriorating every year. Throwing furniture and attacking other kids or the teacher carries no consequence these days. I am glad that pay has increased where you are. The only things here that have increased for subs are mandates and expectations. I won't be returning this school year. Hoping that next year will be better in another state far far away...
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I agreeó my boys both went to private school where I taught at the time and my granddaughter goes to private school right nowó unfortunately future grandchildren I have on the other side of my family will be going to public school. As for your move to a land far far away just make sure not come too far out west because itís a nightmare out here.
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What surprises me is that people can't understand why it's better when you can pick and choose your students.

Public schools have try to educate the entire population, and many, many adults are the products of public schools and do very well.

I know bashing public schools has always been the "thing to do," but there are positives that people don't see, too, like having an expert in every subject, but it's more fun to just get on the bashing bandwagon and take no personal responsibility.

By the way, I don't believe everything that was stated but people lie and exaggerate when they have an agenda and have "black and white" thinking and examples. Typical.
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not all private schools pick and choose
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The private school where I taught at had plenty of "undesirable" students. The local government schools discovered that (with the buy-in of the parents in question) they could pay our $4000/yr tuition, and pocket the rest of the $12,498 the taxpayer provided, and then be rid of their worse troublemakers. we took the drug cases, the criminals, the kids that were 5 yrs behind, the 7th graders that couldn't read... Russian and Ukrainian kids that could not speak, or could barely speak English. Almost none of our students were what you would call privileged, or even high income. few beyond the government school kids even paid full tuition.

And yet we still outscored all the local government schools with teachers that mostly didn't have a certification (the curriculum was certified)

Many of my kids from that time today are in their 30s and are doing really well. A kid that I had 17 yrs ago, who couldn't read in jr. high, but came to us, called me yesterday to thank me, he just bought a new car, he was headed to jail when I first met him, he's 30 now, has a great full time job, lives just off the beach in Florida, and by all accounts is a teachers best-case success story. I have a kid that was into drugs in high school, now is an executive in Elon Musk's organization, a microbiologist, an owner of an exotic car repair shop in California and a few other great successes. I get to see strong families where they didn't exist a few decades ago.

Government schools are just as likely to harvest all the "good " students. (and star athletes) into their better campuses, and shed the dead weight to lesser campuses, with fake overcrowding formulas.
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At how many people can comment on things theyíve never experienced first hand.
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Bagano- don’t tell me what to be or not be. People use socialism incorrectly all the time. I’ll call them on it. This is one of the most misused words in this country.

For the general discussion, every school is going to have its share of teachers who work hard and those who coast by.

I’ve subbed for teachers that read a poem to their kids with no discussion about it and gave them a quiz or a worksheet right after. Then they switched papers and graded it themselves. The kids said this is what they did all the time.

If people on this board think the kids are so bad, I suggest finding a new line of work. I did not enjoy the grind of subbing, but I did find a lot of the students to be interesting to interact with. I liked working at the alternative high schools and found those kids to be some of the best students I had.
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You are correct---public schools were not always so awful, at least where I live. Back before Obama's common core initiatives, most students in my locality could sign their names in cursive, identify the names and locations of the 50 states, read a full chapter book, and complete a sheet of multiplication problems by third grade. Teachers were not handed scripted lesson plans from the state and told what they could teach and how it needed to be taught. It used to be that violent and disruptive discipline problems were handled accordingly rather than coddled at the expense of an entire classroom.

Bodhimom2 you have not seen what others here have and can therefore not speculate about others' personal experiences with public schools. You are not omniscient, regardless of your claims that people with experiences different from your own are liars. But if you want to believe that the world is flat, you will argue until you're blue in the face regardless of the factual evidence around you. And that is your choice. But try not to insult those who are merely sharing their experiences. After all, most of us who have been working in our field have taken the red pill long ago.
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Socialism-a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

When my kids entered kindergarten, their personal school supplies were immediately confiscated from them and dumped into a big community bin. Parents were never informed of this. They never got to use their own supplies but instead got someone else's chewed on stuff that five others had sucked on or grabbed after using the bathroom without washing their hands. My kids were sick as dogs. Don't tell me that this socialist programming didn't have something to do with the rampant spread of disease. (Not to mention teaching a lack of ownership and responsibility) These are schools not prisons. If my daughter picks out a special princess pencil or has a favorite pair of scissors, why can't she use those things? Why can't she keep her own personal property?? In my opinion it's wrong.

I only found out about this when at the end of the year my kids came home without any of their supplies. The school also decided that my kids would not get any of their stuff back. As a taxpayer I am so glad that they could make that decision for our family...

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There is no point arguing with that person. The "no one knows what socialism means" liberal is just as bad as any hardcore Trumper. Quite often, they are the most uneducated about history, politics and economics. It's no surprise that after they live life as an adult a bit, they realize how silly they were.

Had a friend who was a booksmart liberal from the suburbs in college who went to work in an ER as a doctor. Next time I talked to him, he didn't talk down to me and we saw eye to eye on many issues. Most liberals are like this, they get all their information from a book or the media and talk down to other people until they have to actually work and experience reality. Then they just can't deny what's going on.

And before anyone starts, I voted for Biden and I'm not an anti-vaxxer/anti-masker!
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There is no point arguing with that person. The "no one knows what socialism means" liberal is just as bad as any hardcore Trumper.
Yes to this.

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Bagano- so, I engaged you and you think is the best way to respond? By making a lot of assumptions and putting me down and thinking Iím one of the most uneducated people in the country? I have an MAT and Iím teaching full time now. My best response to you is to get screwed. Youíre full of it. And anything you are accusing me of you are acting worse. Have fun with that.




Mommysubs- okay, so your kids had a bad plan with the K pencil and pen set up. That isnít a socialist agenda and the other things like propaganda you are railing against. You looked up the term, but you are not applying it properly. Also you have said youíre not an anti vaxxer, yet refuse to get the vaccine and bad mouth it at every turn. So you sure sound like one.
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The "no one knows what socialism means" line is repeated so much, it's very clear that there is some organized movement behind it that is teaching you to say this.

It's about as bad as the religious "are you saved?" nuts. Socialism is just another cult. Ticks all the boxes.
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I do think it was wrong of that district to throw students personal school supplies into a big bin and give them to everyone, especially in this time of Covid. However, I think it is a stretch to say that this is socialism.

Socialism is the government regulating things such as healthcare with the goal of everyone being able to have access and everyone being able to make a decent living. It is not like communism where the government controls every aspect of people’s lives.

I don’t think the government was controlling which school supplies students used. Then again, what do I know?
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Laughing out loud at your dumb ass. Keeping assuming. You know what they say about that one. Iím not a socialist and there is no one teaching me anything. Are you this obtuse or just another PT troll?
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jazzer...thank you for your perspective. I will respectfully agree to disagree about the good of socialism and healthcare. When Obama was reelected sure some got free and affordable healthcare. Not people who need to work for a living, however. My husband and I had our premium costs triple. And while our cost and deductibles increased, our benefits decreased. That same month I found out that I was pregnant. The pregnancy was high risk. Each monthly ultrasound I had to get cost me $400 thanks to our socialist in chief. But yeah... glad others could live freely off my family's back. People don't realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch...someone has to pay for it.

As for socialism in schools, little exercises such as children having their school supplies taken and redistributed are normalizing the idea of property confiscation and redistribution to our youngest and most impressionable without parental consent. I am thankful to still have the freedom to homeschool, but under the current administration I am not sure how long that freedom will last.
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You are paranoid.


Obamacare was a gift to insurance companies. You should be mad at them, not the people who got free or cheap healthcare. And a lot of people(including subs) still work and qualify for Obamacare. It’s not like you are paying for it. The insurance companies had an excuse to get rid of their better programs in certain states and jack up your rates and co pays.

I suggest you look at what our country spends on defense compared to other countries and what kind of tax breaks we give to corporations and the ultra rich. Did you know the NFL is classified as a non profit organization? If you’re still mad at Obamacare recipients after that, I can’t even discuss this with you. We could take about 15 percent of the money budgeted for defense and end homelessness, education inequality and most other social problems you could think of. We would still spend more than the next eight countries combined of their total defense budget.
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People are allowed to voice their opinions. However let’s remain professional and stop using language that is offensive. If you want to have a discussion and use offensive language please do it in a private message.
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Not sure how the conversation devolved, but shared supplies are a thing in the lower grades, simply because they donít have desks. Students are seated at tables and 2 or three students have to share, Thereís usually a caddy of supplies every 2 or 3 students. Everyone has scissors and a glue stick. Got a fancy pencil, use it at home. Really Simple. Been that way since my kids were little 20 years ago. No agenda involved. Grow up people.
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Tapdance--Where I am from the kids have cubbies and they bring their own required pencil boxes to school filled with supplies. Why dump them into germ-infested bins where every kid puts their hands and uses different broken and half-chewed supplies daily? Kids can go to their cubbies and get the pencil boxes. I have seen it done within the last 5 years when I worked in kindergarten. I don't think kids have lost the mental capacity to do so in the last 5 years.

It's about teaching respect and responsibility. Not to mention keeping kids who don't know how to use a tissue, keep things out of their mouths, and wash their hands after using the potty from spreading germs to all of their classmates! It's a simple no brainer!

Also, taking the students supplies at the end of the year is stealing in my opinion! When the year was over and my kids came back with nothing, I emailed the teacher about the supplies. She said everything was in bins and she wouldn't be able to get their exact items. I asked if they could at least get their scissors back. She sent me a photo...a table full of scissors from all the kids, many with visible names written on them...so I could tell her which ones were from my kids. I could pick them right out, names on them. Who do they think they are?! If they wanted me to donate and had asked it would have been different but to just TAKE? No matter how you spin it, that is theft and that is wrong. I am sure they think they are doing their moral duty to redistribute my kids' property to someone "more deserving", right? What would happen if I walked into the school building and just grabbed a container of office supplies off of the secretary's desk and walked out? That would be stealing, right? I hope that your district at least asks parents before confiscating their supplies...
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Sure..under the original Obamacare mandate if I was a single healthy 20 year-old working full-time at a daycare for $10 an hour and was offered health insurance by my employer, I would have had to purchase that insurance OR pay a mandatory FINE. (Due to working a job and being offered insurance I would be ineligible for Obama's welfare healthcare buffet.) How is that constitutional...to force someone who is trying to make ends meet to purchase something they don't want? Why punish the working class and reward people who don't want to work? And who made money off the government imposed fines paid from workers who couldn't afford to purchase that mandatory insurance? Hint: Not the insurance companies...
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:19 PM
 
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It doesnít sound like the materials were purposely taken from your kids and put in a big community bin. From what you said, it sounds like things just got mixed up. Kids have a tendency to not always keep track of their things, and they sometimes do let their classmates borrow them even if you would prefer they not do that because they are kids. the teacher probably does not have time to go through all of that stuff every day to make sure everyoneís supplies are in order.

It is true that the US does not quite have the whole universal healthcare system down the way European countries do, but the intent is not to have complete control.
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Old 10-06-2021, 10:05 PM
 
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You have it all twisted.


If you donít make enough money, you can qualify for Medicaid or a cheaper insurance plan because of Obamacare. You need to do some research.
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Old 10-09-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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All I know is I don't understand why anyone would be against everyone having healthcare, one way or the other, whatever the politics. I got a simple blood draw the other day and it was $700.
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Old 10-10-2021, 01:10 PM
 
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Because people in this country have the crab in the bucket mentality. Get to the top and Iím going to knock you back in. Itís like people who paid off their student debts who think everyone should have to suffer and keep living in poverty to pay off ridiculous interest rates. Or raising the minimum wage. Boomer generation logic.
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Old 10-18-2021, 08:48 PM
 
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Bodhimom2 thank Obamacare for those lovely prices. Yes you pay $700 so someone who doesn't feel like working can get the service for free. What a deal!
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Old 10-19-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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I knew some states didn't require a 4-year degree, even before this, but I've always been glad that California does because I think that it's good for students to be around adults with 4-year degrees.
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