I teach my students to NOT say "and" unless they are saying a decimal number with it. For example 867.7 would be eight hundred sixty-seven AND seven tenths. Since you are not saying tenths, hundredths, etc. then I don't really think it matters. Plus, you are the adult - say what you want!
Yes, it is really wrong to say AND unless there is a decimal point. If my students say AND I point it out until they stop and I tell them that I am only trying to make it easier for them when we get to decimals. They usually catch each other doing it and correct their classmates instead of me having to do it though.
It is not right to say 876 as eight hundred seventy six, it is just lazy way of saying it. This is how it goes... if you have to say 876.56, the right way of saying it ( in the rest of the world and proper english) is eight hundred and seventy six point five six ( notice that in math you don't say fifty six after decimal point). And coming to fractions, for other than fractions like 1/2 ( half) ,quarter (1/4)
but if you have to say 876 11/5 you are supposed to say eight hundred and seventy six and eleven by five.
Seeing all the comments from TEACHERS here, I am not surprised as to why our American kids are way far behind in math skills than rest of the world.
Sorry to disagree with "USMathProf" and "friedtofu", but that's incorrect. I agree with the other posters - you only use the words "and" when it's a decimal or fraction to show a division from whole to part.
The truth for most of us though is that for the tests our kids have to take they need to learn to use the "and" to show the decimal point. Reguardless of your feelings on testing, this is the society we live in. With NCLB and pressure to keep my test scores up, I will continue to correct my students and tell them that the "and" should only appear in numbers with decimals.
In British English we are taught that 876.7 would be said as eight hundred and seventy six point 7 whereas 876 7/10 would be said as eight hundred and seventy six and seven tenths. Where is the difference in American English between decimal places and fractions?
In the UK children manage to grasp the difference between 'and' used internally as part of a number and 'and' used to separate the whole number from the part- it really is not a difficult concept.
Also on the point that teachers should model correct grammar- I think 'and' as used in numbers is the least of the worries of the American education system when it comes to grammar! Eg. Mrs Carlson's lack of sentence structure on this very page and V dog's spelling and capitalisation.
Okay why do broadcasters all over the world exclude the word and from a number. So I guess what you are saying is that they are wrong also. So tell me what is proper english anyway? Language is part of a culture. So please enlighten me as to why most of the world cannot understand most of the people who speak so called proper english?
How about we say and after all number places. For example, the number 1,256,362 as one million and two hundred and fifty and 6 thousand and three hundred and sixty and two. This sounds ridiculous, but I think it makes a good point. Why say and just after saying hundred. I am also a teacher. I teach chemisty and physics. Think about what year it is. Is it two thousand and eight or two thousand eight? There is no doubt AND is used to imply a fraction/decimal ONLY!
In the UK we say 'and' after the word 'hundred'. To say that the word 'and' is a 'whole number swear word' is a joke (5th). Do American teachers think that British English teachers tell kids that 'color' is for losers? Of course not. We point out that it is acceptable spelling in the US, but in most of the rest of the English speaking world we write 'colour'.
So in British English we would say:
450,000.25 = four hundred and fifty thousand point two five
400,360.06 = four hundred thousand, three hundred and sixty point oh (or zero) six
Honestly, this is a debate that is on par with discussions concerning religion. I think that the usage of the word "and" is akin to the usage of "hopefully"... American English has created its own concept of the meaning. I am quite confident that it does not mean decimal in all cases, as that would imply that all numbers without a fraction or decimal cannot include the word "and".
I am American, but I must agree with the British: "and" should be included. The reason is simple: "and" means addition, not a decimal point. How many books do we have when we add two books and 4 books? We use "and" to represent to plus. So, one hundred and forty-two is just one hundred plus forty-two (142).
This is actually a case where many teachers teach incorrectly. In fact, it is incorrect to leave out the "and" between hundreds and tens. The "rule" of leaving it out was fabricated to help students understand whole numbers and fractions. But what makes more understandable mathematics is bad English, which has sadly found its way into many rule books and teachers' manuals.
Contrary to what many people think:
"eight hundred seventy six" is incorrect;
"eight hundred and seventy six" is correct.
Thousands are separated by a comma: "one thousand, eight hundred and seventy six".
If there is a fraction, yes, horror of horrors, there is more than one "and". The "and" before the fraction is separated by a comma in writing:
"One hundred and seventy two thousand, five hundred and twenty six, and three fifths".
The term "eight hundred seventy six" is literally closer to meaning "eight hundred TIMES seventy six".
This is standard English, not British vs. American. Soon, I hope, the rule books will be corrected.
It is a great shame that teachers such as SusanTeach and gwill are imposing false rules on their students. When the teachers do not know what they are teaching, what hope is there? What worse can a teacher do than to "correct" a student who does something correctly into doing it wrongly?!