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Old 05-12-2006, 11:05 AM
 
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Does anyone have any information on these two products? My school just purchased me a SmartBoard (whoohoo). They are looking into getting every teacher in the building one as well, but we are discussing the differences in between the two interactive boards. Does anyone have any information?

Also, if anyone has any good sites or ideas for how to use the Smartboard it would be greatly appreciated!

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My school has Smart Boards that we are allowed to check out to use in our classrooms. They are being utilized but they are extremely cumbersome and awkward to manipulate. Our PTA is buying us all something called an E-Beam for next year. Apparently it will do all of the same functions as a Smart Board but it is small (about the size of a Lemony Snicket Chapter Book) and it is the shape of a right angle. It attaches to your white/chalk board with suction cups and projects onto it. The teachers who already have them absolutely LOVE them. You may want to check them out to see if it's something you may be interested in. I've heard that it will capture whatever you write on the board and you can download it and print it out. I don't know that personally because I have not ever actually played with one. Sorry I don't know anything about those other boards.
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You'll probably have to look up eMints websites for uses on the Smartboard. There's probably everything you want to know and more on these sites.
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When I student taught in a 3/4 combo class, the students were doing reports and had made Power Point presentations using the board. You can also type up lessons in Microsoft Word and present them with the Smartboard. When I was subbing, one teacher actually had scanned her worksheets into the computer and used the Smartboard to teach the kids. They loved coming up to the board and doing the worksheet. There is also an awesome website called United Streaming. Your school does have to purchase a membership to it but you can try it free for 30 days. Basically, they have different lessons and video clips that you can show on the Smartboard. I use the site in kindergarten and love it. There is also another site called storylineonline which is free. That site has celebrities reading stories. Hope this helps.
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i've never heard of prometheon. our school has SMARTBoards. a quality (not cheapest your district will buy!) really makes a difference in the color/value of picture!

here is a link to previous posts about SMARTBoards... http://www.proteacher.net/discussion...ht=smart+board

brainpop.com is excellent--short videos on health, science, technology, language, soc sts, and math topics--funny, to the point--covers several grade levels.

the address for SMARTBoards is: www.education.smarttech.com

you can go there and download lessons others have made on various topics (as well as leave yours!) i also see that there is a page of interactive websites!


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We don't have smart boards at my school, but I tried writing on one once with the markers and there was a delay...like you had to hold down before starting to write for a little bit...it also was kind of hard to write on it...my handwriting looked really sloppy when I tried writing on it! Does it get easier to write on as you get use to it? Does it always have the delay?
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be something to do with your system. WE don't have the delay. The sloppy part does improve.
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a. you might need an adjustment (board, not you)
b. you also need to occasionally go into SMARTBoard tools/options...something...and then "orient" the board--that basically tells the board which cell you're writing in when--if you don't do this, it's off by 1-3 inches from where you're actually writing!
c. yes, your get used to writing on it--and you can pull up "notebook" pages if you need to write on lines.
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Thank you so much! I tried it another school, so it must be their system. I hope we can get them because they seem awesome!
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We had a promethean sales rep at our school demonstrating the board and it was awesome. It appears to be much sturdier than the smartboard, as well as having many more features. Early next year there will be an upgrade available with the promethean that allows several students to write on it at once, for math races...etc. I'm so excited. My school ordered 2, with the student clickers for quizzes and the walk around slate(I can write on it anywhere in the room.) It should be set up in about a month. I can let you know more then. Also, I googled promethean, and a tutorial came up that taught me a lot. It was free.


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Old 12-02-2007, 07:04 AM
 
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My county has both and I am our tech instruction specialist. Promethian tops smart boards because they are more stable and attach to the wall. They also have cool software that lets you use the projector like a rtransperanMy county has both and I am our tech instruction specialist. Promethean tops smart boards because they are more stable and attach to the wall. They also have cool software that lets you use the projector like a transparency, write on it, roll dice and more. They also have software to make flip books. The sales rep will tell you flipbooks rock. They are wrong it is a glorified PowerPoint that you can't spell check. The real kicker is the clickers. They let you get real time data from kids as you teach. You donít need the board to do this. You can buy just the clickers and a data port and get the same functionality for a fraction the price...cy
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There are smartboard models that attach to a wall- I'm surprised a tech specialist doesn't know that. They even have a few that don't require a projector- just depends on the model you buy.

I have one mounted in my room along with a ceiling mounted projector. It works pretty well. This is my first year with it.

I recently took a training session and found out there were a lot more features than I initially realized- you just have to know how to use them.

I don't know if it is better than promethean, but they do work well.

That being said, consider other options as well. A tablet PC with an LCD projector- while more expensive than a smartboard- may be a better purchase.

SMART is also pushing a $400 "airliner", which is a bluetooth penpad which you can use wirelessly from anywhere in the room.

It really depends on what you want it to do.

If you only want to show powerpoints, then you are really just wasting $1200 on a screen for your projector.
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Can you update on your school's installation of the promethean system?
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I am in the process of taking a SMARTboard from the rollers to mounting on the wall. Having it on rollers is a huge problem to begin with - with our spongy floors I was always recalibrating. The boards eventually fell into disuse. My goal is to resurrect it with Bluetooth technology.

I don't know much about Promethean board, but everything I've hears is that they are quite comparable.

Since I've been away from SMARTboards for a long time, I'm interested in workshops. Do any of you at PT have any suggestions?
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Everything you mentioned (except the flipbooks) can be done with a Smartboard. Mine is attached to the wall. They have some awesome premade flash files that can give you rolling dice, spinning spinners, interactive clocks, etc. I can easily use Powerpoint and get the flipbook effect. The "clickers" mentioned can be purchased (separately) for use with smartboards as well. I haven't used a promethian, but I use my smartboard all day every day.
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Wow, for a "tech" specialist, you really don't have a clue. My SmartBoard is mounted on the wall, my projector is mounted on the ceiling, I have the Senteo Clickers that work seamlessly with my system, and I have tried and scoffed at the Promethean. The Promethean works well enough, don't get me wrong. But if you are a sucker and can get swooped into one of their sales demos, then you should be ashamed of yourself. They are SALES PEOPLE, it is their job to convince you to buy their product.

Like I said, I have used both. The Promethean is light years behind the SmartBoard and it always will be.

The SmartBoard is a product of MicroSoft; need I say more?
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I think my board is a prometheon. Is that made by numonics??? I know the smart has 3 or so different pens and can also be controled by the tip of the finger. Mine can ONLY be controled by its pen. Also my surface is very durable and is under warrenty for many years. Let me check and I'll get back to you. Mine came with RM Easiteach (program) which I LOVE!!!
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Smart is a Canadian company, not Microsoft. The "kleenex" brand it has been the staple of presentations up until five years ago. It is great for presentations and writing. Where the Promethean excels is in the classroom. Not because of the board but because of the software. It allows you to to anything you can do on a computer or a whiteboard. But it is the six thousand FREE lesson plans aligned to state standards that make the difference. Especially for those that use the integrated voting devices. Those are so EASY to use and the kids love them. I liked my old Smart board, but I love my new Promethean!
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This is my third year with a SmartBoard. I spent one year with it on wheels, and I spent a lot of time adjusting it. I love it mounted! I also have a ceiling-mounted projector, audio enhancement system, airliner slate, document camera, and "clickers". Oh, and the TV system is also wired into it.

I use Promethian flipcharts with my SmartBoard. All I had to do was download the promethian software on my computer. I have both the Notebook and Flipchart programs on my home computer, too, so I can make lessons at home.

We have 17 of the "smart" classrooms. Unitedstreaming and BrainPop are sites I use with my board.
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I'm jealous! I'm happy for you, but I would love to have all that you have!! I have a wall mounted SMARTboard and a ceiling mounted projector. This is the first year for this. I had the projector on a table last year. I put in for clickers and a document camera. I would love both. I would like to be able to get Brain Pop too. Everything costs so much. :-( I am appreciative of what I do have though! Just a tad jealous of you!!:-)
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I love how everyone makes blatantly false statements. There are thousands upon thousands of state-aligned FREE lesson plans for SMART Boards too. But, who really wants all of the MANUFACTURER'S suggested lesson plans - the real proof is in the resources created by other teachers. There are plenty for promethean and there are plenty for SMART Boards - and actually each brand allows you to convert each other's files into their own... everything everyone seems to post here sounds like it is coming from the sales person who gave them 'half-truths' to make one sound better than the other.

All of these boards, whether SMART Boards, Promethean ActivBoards, Numonics Intelliboards, or whatever else are all durable, they all have warranties to cover damage, etc. The all have or work with 'clickers', they all have bluetooth pads/slates, they all have tons of available resources, and more...

The real deciding factor is the support you get from whomever you choose to purchase from - what is the quality of their installation? what is the quality of the PD they offer? What is their post-sales support like?

As for the technology itself - I personally find the SMART Board more intuitive - pick up a pen and write when you want, use your finger when you want to move an object, etc... using a pen to do everything is not as intuitive - TOUCH is important, as you can see by items like the iPhone and the move by most tablet pc makers to now add TOUCH to their systems as well - they found that just a pen is not intuitive for the end user...

Think about a student in a math class - if you didnt have a interactive whiteboard and you wanted students to grasp a concept, you would utilize hands-on manipulatives for them to interact with - well, with a SMART Board, the activity is still tactile (albeit a little different) - still get a hands-on experience in moving objects.

All of these products are improving/revolutionizing the creation of content and the delivery of it in a classroom - you really cant go wrong with any of the products... but if i had to rate them:

1. SMART Boards
2. Promethean ActivBoards
3. eBeam
4. Interwrite
5. Numonics
6. 3M
7. Mimio
8. Hitachi
9. NEC
10. Polyvision
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It's nice to read from some that there is an awareness that both of these companies have their merits. They are both working desperately to be the industry leader in the education market. There are clearly disciples for each. Hmm, sounds a bit like the Apple v. PC battle we've all been around for years. :-) Bottom line is that we are raising a generation of digital natives who will comfortably learn and interact with any of these technologies. So the real question is what you, as an educator, find most intuitive. A lot has to do with practice, with any of this, as we all know. One given is that both companies will continue to assert that their products are the best for a variety of reasons. Reality, they both have pros and cons. Best price and offered local support would be a good place to start. Both companies have "seeding" programs to get your district "hooked" (like any good dealer should), but probing questions about maintenance, warranties and expected product lifespan would be more pertinent for most of us in the educational world. Good luck.
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In my opinion SMART Boards are way more advanced and their features and are awesome. their support is very good and free. I do like the fact that I can use both my pen and finger to go through my computer and so on. The problem with Promethean is the fact that it relies itself on its magnetic pens. Imagine if you lose them! or if your students hide them from you or whatever else, you wont be able to use your board unless you were to have a spear pen... with a SMART Board even if you lose your pens you can just cover up the sensors on pen tray with anything and have a working board right away. Plus as I said I love using my finger to go through presentations and so on, I would hate having a pen in my hand all the time to do the same. SMART rules and also its software is light years away from promethean. It is laso more professional.
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hello- i am a first year teacher and i have never worked with a smart board however i have one mounted right in the front of my k5 classroom. i am use to the dry erase boards and not familiar with the smart board. did i understand that there is a website to go to that has premade lesson plans available>? i was wondering how all that works. i can use any word doc. from the computer and it will work on the smart board>
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Yes! You can use Word Documents. And yes, there is a website. The SMART Board site is www.smarttech.com.
You will want to upgrade your version of the Notebook to the latest release. 10.0 (I believe) The gallery has been updated, along with templates and lessons.
As for using your board. The sky is the limit. Any website that you use when your kids are in the computer lab can be used on your board. www.starfall.com is an awesome one for your younger kids. I used it a lot when I taught Kindergarten last year.
You can show movie clips on your board.
You can use it as a math manipulative.
You can use it as a writing center.
There are so many ideas that it gets to be a bit overwhelming.
The Smart Tech site has lessons already designed and ready to go. You can also search "SMART Board Lessons" or "Interactive whiteboard lessons" and find a plethora of information.
If you need any help at all, let me know. I'm not an expert, but I am working on training our staff to use them this year. They are a BLAST!!

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Im a student at mabry and we have smart and promethean boards. The smart boards are great because you have different colors without hitting the toolbar and you have and eraser the pain is you have to put everything down then pick up something else for it to work.You can also use you finger for clicking
PROMETHEAN BOARDS
promethean boards can come with a lot of extraslike the active slate wich allows you to sit at your desk and still work the board. The activ vote allows you to give kids a multiple choice quiz to kids and they vote and at the end it grades it.
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SmartTech has really added a lot in version 10 of the SMARTBoard software. Like Promethean boards, SMARTBoards have Airliners so that you, as a teacher, can use your SB as you move around the room. These would also be able to be used by students, although I would suggest grades 3 and up for this. SENTEO would be SBs interactive response tool, which is also relatively new, but is comparable to the Promethean boards response system. Like others have said, both have their merits. My school has SMARTBoards, and we love them! My sister-in-law is just getting a Promethean board and is excited about the possibilities it will bring to her students. There are TONS of interactive whiteboard lessons available on-line. Another great resource is the National Library of Virtual Manipulatives.
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I have begun reading the messages in this post and was shocked at how many people that are writing about the smartboards really don't know the power of the Notebook software that comes with any of there products.
I have used smartboards for 6 years and have viewed several other types in that time period.
Smart Technologies makes Smartboards - there are many different types, sizes, etc. Some have front projection some rear projection, there are also airliners (wireless tablets), Sympodium(a way of controlling a smartboard from a panel display - typically used in large lecture halls or board rooms.)
The real key to which of these boards is better is the software. Notebook software is supposed to only be used with smart products and with the new 10.0 version you must register it with a smart product serial number after 30 days.
The notebook software has thousands of interactive flash files in the galery, flash applets that you can edit and individualize for your own use. Additionally you can pull things from anywhere into your content folder for use at all times, there are themes available. The learning Marketplace is another wealth of tools and game templates that are available. You can also access thousands of ready made lesson plans alligned to state and national standards searchable by subject grade level, etc. You can record lessons and export them for use on a website, etc. It is very easy to export and print notebook lesson files at the end of class. I exported mine daily to a pdf version and put it up on my website for students to download or reference as they went through their notes or worked on homework.
The Notebook software as well as the wealth of resources available for teacher training all for free on the smart website is fantastic. There are easy to follow pdf's that can be downloaded on every feature of the software as well as 2 minute tutorials that can help as well.

If you are using the airliners in your classroom you can have more than one in a classroom and allow students to have access throughout the room. Although, I see no reason why getting up and going to the board should be reserved for elemntary as another person previously suggested.
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Donna: Some of the problem with not knowing the power of the notebook software, is that many have not had the training and it takes a bit to learn how to use the tools.

I too have a SmartBoard and it is wall mounted. The teacher next door has a Promethian Board. So far, we are able to do the same things. However, we are among the untrained with either board.
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Promethean Planet now has over 9,000. Smart is up to 900/
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It's all about the online community and the sharing of lessons across the country. compare the number of registered users on promethean planet vs. the smart site. compare the number of searchable lessons.
there is no comparison.

here's promethean's motto: designed by educators for educators.
smart has been trying to keep up with Promethean's K12 software since their arrival in the US market.
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I taught with a Smartboard last year and LOVED it. This year, we have Promethean at my school and so far, I'm not impressed.

There are some good resources and software that come with the product, but they are so difficult to navigate. The whole system is completely counterintuitive. You can look through the activities in one listing, but can't use them. When you want to use a resource, some you have to double click and some you have to drag. They are not organized well and the search feature is not always accurate.

Also, the way you perform simple functions (like saving work, moving objects, changing font) is unneccessarily difficult. There are menus and sub menus and it's all just very unorangized.

And, I just hate having to use the pen. It's easier for kids to use their fingers and (I know this is picky) but the way the infrared pen scrapes against the board drives me crazy.

I can figure all this stuff out, but it drives me crazy. But I'm only a second year teacher and by far, the most technologically literate member of our staff. The other teachers are having a really difficult time learning how to use this program.
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Many interesting points with regards to the two main competitors in the iwb market. Just a short note regarding promethean flipcharts and their resources....if you like something you see in a flipchart, you can always import it into SMART Notebook via the Import feature. This kind of reduces the impact of the whole gamut of who has more resources.
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Hi all,
In reading the posts, it is interesting to hear all the different views, so here is mine. I teach 5th and 6th grade, and prealgebra. I purchased my OWN Smartboard 2 years ago. I have used it mounted and on the rolling stand. Granted, I like the mounted better, but either is fine. Well, so now my school has Prometheans also in every classroom. So I actually have my Smart at one end and Pro at the other end of the room. I have to say, I REALLY love not having to use a pen and just using my finger for everything with my Smart, but I also like the fact that I can touch the Promethean with my wrist or another hand without it interfering with the pen. I think Smart is a little bit more user friendly, but Promethean and Smart BOTH have great software (Smart's new 10 software is a lot better than the version 9 was). There are tons of resources for both out on the web, so that is not an issue. My students actually say they prefer when we use the SMARTboard over the Promethan. I also recently purchased to SMART airliners. I use them with both the SMART and the Promethean, so that is really fun also. So really, in the end, like someone said before, the representative sales people will say what the need to say for their product, but coming from someone that has BOTH in the classroom, they are pretty equal...pros and cons to both.
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the Delay has nothing to do with the smartboard / it has to do with your computer / processing speed.
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I think one of the main things to consider is the training. You could have the best product in the world, but if teachers do not get the professional development they need, on an ongoing basis, then the money spent is worthless. I used a SMART board for over a year and never got a single minute of training. I know Promethean offers follow up training and usergroups that come to you as part of the package when you buy a board. I think Promethean has a serious advantage here.
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You have got to be kidding me, Marks.
First of all, what consitutes a "lesson"? Is this what Madeline Hunter described by posting a single flipchart page with zero content? At least on SMART's lessons they are actual lessons with a beginning, middle and end. Also, there are almost 2,000 available through SMART, but have you ever heard of Google? There are thousands more out there, because there are thousands more users of SMART. Besides, who wants to use spoon-fed "lessons" anyway. If your teachers can only show what is given to them, perhaps they shouldn't be teachers anyway.

Another interesting note is how Promethean talks about being by educators for educators. WAKE UP! they are trying to sell their product and you are falling for marketing hype. Check the numbers out there. Promethean is based out of the UK and doesn't even have the majority of the boards installed in the UK!

I wish teachers would focus on teaching the kids, not being marketing "shills" for companies. No company is perfect, they are all in to make money. Yes, the toys are cool, even more so if they are tools that can impact the lives of the students, but get a grip already. I've heard the spin from SMART, Promethean, Numonics, Polyvision, Hitachi, etc. It's just spin. That teacher that just doesn't care STILL won't care regardless if they are given a shiny new board or not.

Best thing you can do is to look at ALL of them. The minute you start quoting their literature you have lost any relevance to me as a thinking individual. Also, while you're at it..check out what your beloved Promethean did in Arizona. A bunch of "educators" that were gobbling at the marketing trough and taking kickbacks for doing so. I certainly hope that's not what is happening in your case, Marks.
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I have an Activboard, and I love it! I have never had too many difficulties using it. I love using the Activpen and the wand. I am actually completely satisfied.

I wish I could use SMART resources on my board. How can I do that??
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I have heard that not all features using a SmartBoard work with Macs. We are a Mac school and looking into purchasing interactive whiteboards. I attended a luncheon where schools met to discuss Promethean. No sales persons talked only technology directors and teachers. They all like Promethean, even the ones that previously had Smartboards. Since the information didn't come from sales people I tend to believe it more.
I will have to follow this thread as it has more information than any other that I have investigated.
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LW,
I am the Macintosh Specialist for SMART technologies. I can tell you that Notebook 10 on Mac and PC are 97% the same. This is in large part due to what the Operating Systems allow more than a lack of concern for parity. The functionality is all there, the processes may be slightly different (using save as PDF instead of Notebook Print Capture for example). I would be willing to answer any other questions for you. My email is cklein@smarttech.com. I look forward to hearing from you.

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We have bought 3m digital boards and are very pleased. One thing that they are is that their boards are also dry erase boards. Not like some of the others. When space is important, teachers dont have alot of room. Why try and find another wall to mount something when 3m does it all in one. Our teachers love them and we just ordered 19 more. They are the same price as Promethean and activeboards and have double the use.
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I've been looking at the Smart boards over the weekend. I even had a chance to demo a Smart board and talk to a sales rep. I wanted to know about the Smart clickers and how they compare with the Promethean's ActivExpressions. The sales rep almost yelled at me about how students should not be allowed to text responses into a text device. I was a bit blown away. I asked her to clarify. She said that the technology would just be abused by teachers and that there was no real value in having the kids send their answers to the board. hummm. I was not sure if she had ever herd about formative assessment or not, but I tried to keep an open mind.
During my evaluation process I came to several conclusions.
The dirtiest part of the classroom are the students hands. No matter how often we remind them, they pick their noses and dig in theirs, and put their fingers god knows where... I don't even want to think about what happens in the bathrooms. We encourage them to keep clean, but with 30 kids, it's hard. I don't want to be rubbing my fingers all over the surface of a board the kids have been rubbing on. Call me a heartless or crass, but I don't thing is sanitary. At least with a Promethean pen, I can have one, and I can let the students use the other.
2. One of the big selling features of the Smart board, I was told, was that the kids could through an object at the board in order to trigger a page turn. "The kids really love it", the sales rep told me...... I own a 50" plasma TV. If my two boys came home from school and tossed an object at the TV I would go nuts. I just don't think it's a good idea to teach kids to through objects at expensive technology. By the way, How much do projectors and bulbs cost? Whacking one with a ball has got to be a bad idea.
3. One of the most important things I have to teach my students is penmanship. Touch is a very natural interactivity. Penmanship requires the development of fine motor skills and eye had coordination. When I was writing on the Smart board with my finger, I could not see where my mark was being made. I could only see the effects of my writing after I had written on the board. I noticed when I held the Promethean pen, the accuracy was more pronounced and I could write in cursive much more clearly. I'm not sure why Smart even has pens? I thought pens were "bad" and touch was "good"?
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I've been looking at the Smart boards over the weekend. I even had a chance to demo a Smart board and talk to a sales rep. I wanted to know about the Smart clickers and how they compare with the Promethean's ActivExpressions. The sales rep almost yelled at me about how students should not be allowed to text responses into a text device. I was a bit blown away. I asked her to clarify. She said that the technology would just be abused by teachers and that there was no real value in having the kids send their answers to the board. hummm. I was not sure if she had ever herd about formative assessment or not, but I tried to keep an open mind.
During my evaluation process I came to several conclusions.
1. The dirtiest part of the classroom are the students hands. No matter how often we remind them, they pick their noses and dig in theirs, and put their fingers god knows where... I don't even want to think about what happens in the bathrooms. We encourage them to keep clean, but with 30 kids, it's hard. I don't want to be rubbing my fingers all over the surface of a board the kids have been rubbing on. Call me a heartless or crass, but I don't thing is sanitary. At least with a Promethean pen, I can have one, and I can let the students use the other.
2. One of the big selling features of the Smart board, I was told, was that the kids could through an object at the board in order to trigger a page turn. "The kids really love it", the sales rep told me...... I own a 50" plasma TV. If my two boys came home from school and tossed an object at the TV I would go nuts. I just don't think it's a good idea to teach kids to through objects at expensive technology. By the way, How much do projectors and bulbs cost? Whacking one with a ball has got to be a bad idea.
3. One of the most important things I have to teach my students is penmanship. Touch is a very natural interactivity. Penmanship requires the development of fine motor skills and eye had coordination. When I was writing on the Smart board with my finger, I could not see where my mark was being made. I could only see the effects of my writing after I had written on the board. I noticed when I held the Promethean pen, the accuracy was more pronounced and I could write in cursive much more clearly. I'm not sure why Smart even has pens? I thought pens were "bad" and touch was "good"?
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All Smart Boards are designed to attach to a wall. There are also older rear projection versions that don't. Do research before making a comment.
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Hello, everyone.

The interactive board world is changing quickly - and more players are entering since Promethean and Smart captured such a huge chunk of the market.

For anyone just starting out, I'd suggest that you look not only at the wall or portable systems from Promethean and Smart, but suggest that you explore slates/tablets (that let you move around the room and get away from the board), other brands of student response systems, document cameras. Almost every software program can be used with the boards, whatever brand you buy. You may just have to access it differently - but you can still use the interactive board features. Your school district is spending too much on the setup to lock yourself just into Promethean or SmartBoard for the sake of their software.
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Can you please provide some more details about "what Promethean did" in AZ? (Something reputable with a citation, please, rather than heresay.) We're investigating both SMART and Promethean as potential district standards right now and I'm curious to know more. Thanks!
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It's me. Just wanted to get an account so I could be notified as/if this thread continues. Cheers!
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My district bought promethean boards for every classroom in every school. Thats thousands of boards. They are SO awesome and are a great tool for learning. We tried out the SMARTboards but the Promethean's are much more capable of doing more than SMART.
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SMART Boards can be mounted on the wall too?? Also, the SMART software has everything your described plus more. If a stylus breaks on the Promethean you cannot use the board until you get a new one. This does not happen on the SMART Board so in my opinion the SMART Boards are actually more reliable.
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SMART is made by SMART Technologies in Canada however a fair share of this is linked with microsoft (Intel?). So it has strong links.
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I am amazed at some of these comments. Who says SMART thinks pens are bad and touch is good. And the Sales Rep you spoke to obvuisly does not advise correctly because SMART make a responses system called Senteo which is far more superior than the ActivVote. If you want to not have kids touch the SMART Board or you don't you pick up a pen, click on the black arrow in Notebook and your pen is a stylus. You have both choices. You can use anything rather than a finger if you do that. Why would you not just wipe over your SMART Board each day with a soft cloth and regular cleaner?? Just like any other thing that kids touch in the classroom. I recommend look into this more!!!
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I have not used either extensively. However, I will be receiving a new Promethean board/projector (all-in-one) in a week or so. It could have been either brand as far as I am concerned. I understand that there is much software and resources available for each. I'm straight pumped, and so are the kiddos!

The board I will be getting includes a short throw projector--no shadow when someone is at the board! And so far, I've already seen that much of what is available at Promethean Planet (all free) will have to be molded for my own classroom anyway. I encounter the same thing anytime I get any kind of lesson from another source.

After reading all the talk about the boards, I'm beginning to get my hopes up about getting a wireless tablet with my board. I'll be checking with my tech director on that one.

Smart...Promethean...I'm just excited about the new avenues for learning!
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vctkr, ask your principal for some training. Even if all they have is an experienced teacher there at school train you, -but there are free training opportunities available in many states.
I had a SMART board the first year was teaching math and ignored it. The second year I forced myself to teach a weeks worth of lessons on it and never used a regular whiteboard again.
You can create lessons in advance and manipulate them, fill them in with problem solving, or any number of things, then save and print them out for absent students, special ed students or any one else who needs them.
you can go to online sites with interactive activities and students can use their finger to manipulate the answers. (try tessellating on shodor.org with your finger)
There's lots of easy to learn, super interesting stuff. SMART has lots of teacher created lessons and activities.
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I have just recently been presented with the opportunity to purchase my choice of smart or promethean boards.

I have used each board and each software. The first thing I noticed is that the smart software is WAY more intuitive. The first time I sat down to use it I was figuring out things like crazy! Promethean's software, although just as powerful, is not nearly as easy to figure out.

I am a teacher who does not like to be stuck in any one program. Smart software makes navigating from program to program much easier. I can open ANY program or website and annotate without having to go through any red tape.

It seems each of these softwares is trying to make powerpoint programs somewhat obsolete. They each will import powerpoints, but what if I just want to keep my ppts how they are and just annotate on top of them? This is much easier with Smart.

People keep commenting on delay of the writing. Each product can have this. You just need to recalibrate or in promethean's case, it could have a defective pen.

As for preferring a pen to practice fine motor control, smartboards HAVE PENS TOO. You need to consider that with promethean, if you lose your pen, or it breaks, you have NO WAY of writing on your board. With smart, you always have your fingers handy.

I don't know either software in-depth, but as a very technology literate 2nd year teacher, I think smart software is much more easy to use. That DOES NOT mean it is any less powerful.

I am interested to know more about using one board or the other with both softwares. I will have both when I receive my new board and wonder if they will work fine. Isn't each board just a glorified mouse-pad on the wall? It should work with either software, right?
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I am trying to decide if I should change my Promethean to Smartboard, after using the itfor the past 4 years.
After reading your message, it looks like I still can use everything I have created in the SBoard. How about the elmo, slate, and the active expression? Are they compatible with the SBoard?
Please help.
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Just go to this website and you'll see the difference right away. Promethean is made by teachers,for teachers and it shows in their online community. Almost 500,000 teachers and 15,000 free lesson plans all contributed by teachers using their equipment which tells you how easy and effective it must be. No comparison. Promethean wins this battle easily.

By the way. I own a Smartboard and use Promethean software and their community website. I had the hardware and had no choice on that front. But I do have a choice about the software and the community and I made it.

Can't post a url here but do a search for Promethean Planet and see for yourself.
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Has anyone used an eno board (PolyVision)? They are pretty new and seem really cool (you can write on it with dry-erase markers!) Wanted some feedback. Thanks.
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Where are you located ?
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Really? Like what? I've used Promethean, Smart, Hitachi, and Mimio. While the software for Hitachi and Mimio is clearly inferior to the two main players, Promethean and Smart can do exactly the same thing. Promethean calls them flip charts. Smart calls them notebooks. BTW, Hitachi can support either product.

Like previous posts, the issue comes down to support. If you take them time to objectively learn about the software from non-sales people, you'll find they're really very similar. Which can you support?
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Wow, for someone that criticizes other people for not having a clue, you clearly don't either. As others have pointed out, SMART is not made by Microsoft at all. Additionally, SMART also has sales people who are emplyed by the company to sell their boards.....it's quite ludicrous to think that they don't. The demos performed by both companies are designed to highlight the capabilities of the technology, not merely to execute some fancy sales pitch. And lastly, the SMARTboard is not light years ahead of the Activboard by Promethean. The ActivBoard has a greater variety of features and the board's frame and construction are far superior to that of SMART. It sounds like you just don't know what you're doing. Your "problem" with syncing the clickers was likely explained in the demo that you thought was a sales pitch.
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I will toss in a vote for the Promethean.

PROS

-Can use Dry Erase Markers on board...

-DURABLE-The sales rep came out with a presentation and DRILLED A HOLE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE BOARD! We were amazed!! The board continued normal functionality, except for a small area around the hole.

-ActivSlate- When I tried to use SmartTech's immiatation, it was awkward to manipulate. With the ActivSlate, you use the exact same stylus that you use to control the board.

-No touch capibility: Yes, I listed this as a PRO. I consider it a pro because when you are writing, you can touch your hand to the board without it messing up your writing. With the SmartBoard, I found it very awkward to write with a stylus.

-Community: There are thousands of ActivBoard users throughout the world, and they all share their lessons on the ################ Website.

Cons

-PROJECTOR: The original Sanyo Short-throw projectors that came with them are junk. Now, Promethean makes their own projectors, and their quality is much better.

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Comparing these two is like comparing Coke and Pepsi, Chevy and Ford, Clemson and… well, who can you compare Clemson with???

SMART uses resistive technology while Promethean uses electromagnetic technology. SMART allows the user to use their pen or their finger to manipulate objects while Promethean uses the pen. Both companies have powerful software loaded with activities and features.
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I work for a company that has a teacher resource center for our county in IL. I want to design lesson plans and provide to teachers. If I purchase a SMART board, can teachers with a promethean board still use my lessons?
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Indeed, with the new ActivInspire software, you can import SmartTech resources.

I would like to say, that my school just purchased the brand new ActivBoards, and I would never go back to a SmartBoard. The new activboards have motorized height adjustment, and now can support 2 pens writing at the same time. The pens are a little stiff at first, but after you have them broken in, they work very well.

The new activboards are much more sleek and stylish also. Instead of being that weird orange color, they are now silver and black, and the projector, instead of being orange, is silver.

AND-I just found out about this today. There are black stylus's for the teacher, and grey ones for students. This feature is very cool. The black stylus's can do everything, and act as a mouse. The grey ones can only draw, create shapes, etc, THEY CANNOT CLOSE WINDOWS OR BE USED FOR DESKTOP CONTROL. This gives the teacher a great advantage.

Just more of my $0.02

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Hello,
I read your post about how you have a Smartboard and the teacher next door has a Permithean board. Have you noticed one being better than the other yet?
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I just posted and wanted to make sure Wig would get the posting. When you reply does it notify the initial person who posted the message? Sorry, new at this!
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Kimberly,
Since you have both I have a specific question. With the Permithean board can more than one child interact at a time whereas Smartboard doesn't have that capability? Can you expand on my question and help me to better understand how the two are different in the aspect of multi-users?
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Thanks smartboard sales rep.
smartboards coim from Smart Technologies NOT Microsoft
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You must be a SMART employee or have no clue what you speaketh. IT is you poorly named "Technowiz" that is full of lies and deceit. Check your stats.

Lesson plans are critical and you can find more from promethean and they are easier to work with

Promethean has over 70% of the UK market

Promethean sells to the education market. That's it. Everything they do is aimed at making teachers more effective. SMART is a good technology. but that's what it is a technology aimed at multiple markets.

is that all you have for an argument...lies
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"The Promethean is light years behind the SmartBoard and it always will be," what a presumptuos statement to make, your being around 2nd graders all day is beginning to show....
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To provide facts on SMART from the comments stated.

PROS

-Can use Dry Erase Markers on board...
--Can also use Dry Erase markers on a SMART Board. Clean it just like any other Dry Erase Board. If I even write with Permanent ink, I can clean it up.

-DURABLE-The sales rep came out with a presentation and DRILLED A HOLE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE BOARD! We were amazed!! The board continued normal functionality, except for a small area around the hole....
--SMART Boards work as well if there is a hole. I used one that had 3 bullet holes in it and worked without any problems. Still had touch control and use of the pens. I have one that a student pressed a ball point pen through and it still works.

-ActivSlate- When I tried to use SmartTech's immiatation, it was awkward to manipulate. With the ActivSlate, you use the exact same stylus that you use to control the board.
--SMART Slate works with a pen. Easy to grip and use from anywhere in the classroom.

-No touch capibility: Yes, I listed this as a PRO. I consider it a pro because when you are writing, you can touch your hand to the board without it messing up your writing. With the SmartBoard, I found it very awkward to write with a stylus.
--Don't have to use the stylus, can use your hand, tennis ball, pointer, etc. If you have students that have difficulty grasping onto smaller objects then they can use a variety of tools. I have used a SMART Board for 5+ years and have had no difficulty with this concept...nor have my teachers.

-Community: There are thousands of ActivBoard users throughout the world.

--Community is available on SMART Website as well. There are approximately 3x's as many SMART Boards out there than any other IWB.

The value and support you get from SMART is absolutely amazing. They have done an excellent job supporting teachers all across the globe. The intuitiveness of the software makes it easy for teachers to create and modify lessons. Along with the intuitiveness, I can create and modify anything within two clicks most of the time.
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The "delays" and "sloppiness" have to do with your computer, not the SMARTBoard. If your computer is slow, so will be the board. Most school computers have very little memory, and you can't run a Cadillac on a Chevette engine.
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Do an Internet search on "Smartboard activities". There are a few sites that teachers have uploaded activities that you can download, customize, and use in your classrooms.
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Well put!! I am a SMART fan and NOBODY will convince me that anything else is better....ever!!
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the Delay is most likely due to your computer resources.. the smartboard is mearly a connection to your computer via USB.. so if the computer runs slow without a smartboard..it will run slow with the smartboard..maybe more RAM and cleaning up the computer will help
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:16 PM
 
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Our school was blessed w/ a smart board in every classroom! What a treat.

Take baby steps. I use it once or twice a day and spend time at home w/ my laptop finding more stuff to download.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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I am a high school teacher whose school has both Smart boards and Promethean Boards.
Most of my colleagues say for our level of instruction Promethean is better. I am open minded and will let you know after my training and my use of the Promethean Board.
I guess I am posting because of the angry tone about a product. Really people, no wonder our students can't have a civil disagreement. Individuals have different needs and it is good there are different products to meet them.
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What is strange to me is how many misconceptions there are about both SMART and Promethean. BOTH products have interactive software that can be used to create lessons. Promethean calls theirs flipbooks and SMART calls it notebook software. Promethean has ready made lessons online, called the Planet. SMART does as well and it is called the exchange. Promethean has thousands of ready made images and interactive materials in their flipbook software. SMART has almost 7000 in notebook software. Both are deemed by users to be easy to use. Both boards are durable and can be mounted on the wall. The difference between the two boards is that with a promethean you MUST use the pen that comes with the board. If you do not have the pen, you can't write or click on anything. With a SMART board you can use your finger, one of the pens, a tennis ball, or any other manipulative that is needed by the student based on their needs. SMART is PRIMARILY in the education specter - not business as Promethean likes to share during their sales. Both companies want to sell their product. Research beyond what they are telling you before you buy.
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