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Old 06-12-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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We are implementing this program next year and I wanted teacher's opinions on it.


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I am in Texas, but I haven't heard of this. I teach at a very small charter school, though.
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We haven't had our official training yet but basically it is a program that sets the calendar and every detail of every lesson based on the TEKS and TAKS. http://www.cscope.us/ From what I have looked at it starts with the Unit and breaks it down into lessons. The lessons have all the books, materials, and even the days spent doing the unit available online. I guess it would be nice for a new teacher and it makes everyone teaching the same unit at the same time. We were already told if we have better lessons on that unit we can use our stuff but we HAVE to be on the same timeline. A lot of teachers are nervous about it. I guess I will find out more after our training. Our admin said that a lot of Texas schools are checking into it and will probably be implementing it.
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This whole idea of everyone being on the "same page" must be universal. We just finished the rewrite of the math curriculum and I'm doing the science. Admin is VERY big on every grade level in all of our builings being in the same place at the same time. They want to look into a software program that will coordinate the curriculum something like you are explaining.
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My district has a scope and sequence, and we are encouraged to still closely to it. However, if you don't then nothing is really said. I am NEVER where I should be in science and social studies. That is because I really teach the material and not rush through. My grade level scores are great, so we are left alone.


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Well, we have always had our scope and sequence, but we followed it loosely. Now we have to cover the material in this order and stay together.
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So much for DI.
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Oh God. Just hearing the name makes me want to groan. Um... enjoy. Our district implemented it last year and the teachers have done nothing but complain at my school. But uh... maybe we are just set in our ways.
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Oh and... if they switched back to something else TOMORROW... it wouldn't be a day too soon. That seems to be the consensus of the teachers at my school. Maybe we are just .... grumpy?

I miss doing lesson plans the old fashioned way. I saw nothing wrong with pencils and paper and a nice little red book sitting on my desk.
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That is what I am afraid of.


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I'm sorry

The good thing is... everything is RIGHT THERE. You just pull your stuff in from the site and copy/paste. And all your materials are right there too. So if you're into that kind of thing... that's a good thing. Just DONT print your lesson plans out for a week... it'll be like 11 pages. So C-Scope isn't good for saving paper or the environment. Most teachers would just leave them up on their computer. But its good that you can get in there, set up your schedule on it (which is pretty easy to do, and you just do it once, or if you have alternate schedules for special days you can do that too), then its IN THERE and you click on it. Your TEKS are in there, click on those. Drag and drop and click and paste, you're done.
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I definitely don't want to waste anymore paper. I have a feeling some teachers will print out the whole thing because they always print out everything. I do think it might save time doing lesson plans. I won't complain too much until I at least get training and try it out.
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And these schools that are using it...how are their TAKS scores? I teach in a little bitty school, and admit I haven't heard of C-Scope, but I do know that my campus has been exemplary for 4 years running. While my grade level does try to stay together by weeks, we adjust for how well the kids are catching on. Sometimes one of us may spend an extra week on something the others finished already. I can't imagine going on just because a program said I had to in order to stay all together!!
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I so agree. As those magic number for everyone goes up, I guess districts grasp at anything to make their scores. However, someone at some point has to stand up and say ENOUGH. Children are more than just a test score.
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I dont pay enough attention to the TAKS scores to know what the rest of the district is doing, but I know that my school got recognized for the past couple of years, and that our science scores went up quite a bit.
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Our school district is also thinking about using C-Scope. I suppose so that our district will have a uniform curriculum throughout. C-Scope does not guarantee higher scores. It provides you with the lessons, activities, and list of materials you need to teach each lesson (which is great for first year teachers). Teachers still have to do their jobs and teach or else no matter what you use, things won't improve.
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Good luck. It's been horrible. Run the other way.
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If you look for the bad things about it, thats all you'll see. If you look for the good things in C-Scope you will find them also. Its all in how you look at it.
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This program is AWFUL!!! We implemented it and everyone hated it. It's natural for some teachers to balk at new things, but I kid you not..I did not hear ONE positive comment out of our entire district (and we are big). I will say that the math and science seemed better than the ELA and Social Studies component. The Reading is a bunch of fluff. There are no reading materials provided, so you have to find all your own stuff and try to tie their lessons into the books you can find. In social studies, it's tons of preparation and no reading material. You have to find the material to support their lessons through your social studies text or library. I don't know what they mean when they say everything is provided! All the lessons are provided (in a sequence that is choppy and makes no sense to most of us), but the materials to do the lessons have to be found elsewhere. Half way through the year, it was just basically ignored by all. I hope the writers of this program took the feedback and made some major changes to improve this for the upcoming year. If you want to hear more negative stuff (as if I haven't provided enough of that, right?), try going to www.teachers.net and click on the state message boards, choose Texas and you will find LOTS of threads about specific problems. I don't think you will find anything positive though. Good luck!
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Our district has bought CSCOPE. I'm not sure how this will help our TAKS scores. The district is adamant that we WILL follow the time lines-----

We've had workshops to be introduced to the system

It appears that the math classes have become labs where every idea HAS to be demonstrated concretely. I'm afraid our teachers will go crazy. What do you do for the kids that missed-----alternate assignments or make-up sessions after school?

Are there any HS math teachers out there that are using CSCOPE?

How did you deal with Math Models?
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I have been teaching a long time and never have seen such a mess and they call this a curriculum. If your district is implementing this plan on late nights at school. I stay at school until 6 or 6:30 every night just so I can be ready for the next day. I have taght it for 6 weeks now. It jumps from this concept to that in a matter of 2 or 3 days and there is no reteach time. So your kids better get it the first time. Some lessons are way over their heads and some lessons are low low.
And it assumes that every kid knows the same thing. So if you get a kid that doesn't know as much you have lost him at the begining. I am not a negitive person and I like trying new techniques and curriculums but this needs to be burned. The lessons do not flow. You as a teacher are jumping from rainbows in science to school authorities in S/S and math in not to bad but we are been on 1-5 for 6 weeks. And Hey next week we start patterning. And the 6 weeks assessments are a joke. Example the 1st 6 weeks in science on the assessment we are to test them of plant growth from a seed using sequencing cards. We did not teach plant growth in any of the Cscope lessons this 6 weeks. Where did that come from. But we have to test. And in 1st grade those babies are expected to write a story with 8 complete sentences on the second day of school. I am not happy and I don't know if I will continue teaching in this district or not.
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Ultimately, this country is growing more and more socialistic. Everyone will be the same (on paper) with the same achievement (on paper) and get the same education (on paper) and all graduate from high school ready to start medical school (bull####). NCLB is evil and all these politicians behind it have polluted the public education system. I'm quitting a job I used to love on Monday. I've had it!!! And FYI...I'm considered a positive person/team player at work. I'm not the typical Lizard Lounge that is always negative. I'm simply tired of creating "data" instead of creating life-long learners.
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C-Scope is the worst curriculum! It is put the students in groups everyday while they teach themselves then teach the class. Can you imagine your students learning depending on the teaching of other students for almost EVERY lesson! Ridiculous! Also, several lessons just hand the student a printed sheet or printed notes then they copy them onto another paper. Come On! The C-Scope people say they are actual lessons by real teachers but who is to say that those teachers have better lessons than you were already teaching. And all your good stuff goes out the window because all those kids presenting every other day takes up way too much time. C-Scope does have a FEW good lessons and as a resource C-Scope would be great! Too bad though that our distict is enforcing this as our full curriculum and not just as a resource.
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Hi all! I have been a teacher for 8 years and went back to get a PhD, and now I am doing my dissertation. I lost my last interview to scheduling and I really need to find at least one more teacher to talk to me. This is anonymous and no one will know your name or school district. Obviously, if you want to, I will send you an official form. In fact I need it signed before I talk to you. I can do this interview by phone. I am interested in your opinions, reactions, insights.

Required criteria: Have to have taught a minimum of three years BEFORE CSCOPE (so you have substantial contrast)

Preferred: 1) Secondary English, 2) High school any core 3) any secondary 4) any
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I am about to graduate with a Ph.D. and signed a contract to teach high school math in a small rural district. I received an email last week telling me that our district will be implementing CScope next month. I was really looking forward to spreading my wings and using what I had been taught in graduate school. I was also expecting to do research in my classroom. What should I do?
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I have been a curriculum writer and then changed districts for a family relocation. I went back into the classroom in a district that was implementing CSCOPE. The service center didn't provide great training, so we got lots of complaints, but I really studied the curriculum and this is what I have learned. To begin with, CSCOPE was pretty rough the first couple of years, but they have revised it every year.

The vertical alignment is the real gift of CSCOPE. It defines the TEKS more clearly, so you know just how deeply to teach...this keeps gaps from forming K - 12 (if teachers actually teach what they are suggesting).

The second gift of CSCOPE is the fact that the exemplar (sample) lessons are written in a 5E format. This instructional model has been used with great success for years and is a wonderful constructivist based model. The kids are supposed to struggle to discover the content and then you, the teacher, help them to explain their findings by asking guiding questions. It is a little difficult to get used to, but very powerful if done well.

The lessons are just samples, given to help teachers see how to use the 5 E model. Some districts require teachers to follow these, but they really aren't bad and you can add to them to make them your own. The assessments are not meant to follow the lessons, but be a general assessment of the chosen TEKS. The real assessments are the performance indicators that are imbedded in the lessons. These are high level assignments that show that the kids have mastered the obtjectives. They are lengthy, but well worth it. Some districts are only interested in the paper and pencil assessments and that is okay, but like any test, they are not intended to be the only true assessment of your students' understanding.

The third gift of CSCOPE is within its numbers....having a common scope and sequence allows transient students to stay on track when moving from district to district...they don't miss as much. This really happened a couple of times in my classroom!

I have a motto...just give it a try and do your homework...the days of "presenting" material to kids are long gone...we have proven for years that kids just don't retain information that way...Over 500 districts and 92000 teachers are using CSCOPE in Texas this year... You might have a little bit of an open mind and give it a shot...

By the way, have you tried the feedback system that lets you send in comments and suggestions? CSCOPE has a whole staff of specialists that are working on the suggestions every day...And my 5th grade science scores? We had over 92% pass, even though we were in the middle of a flu epidemic and this is the best part....67% of my kids were commended...they really get it!
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Do not be alarmed by posts. Use common sense: when overwhelmed resort to best practices that have withstood the test of time (and CScope resources online do just that; they mirror good practices--at least in the high school English curriculum they do. I say this as a 25 year veteran who has taught AP English, remedial, and regular English successfully)

Get a login process to cscope through your district. Go to the Curriculum Elements Tab; in the drop down select Year at a Glance; select the Math tab where you will be provided with another drop down; then select high school and click on your level of math.

What you are looking for is the Instructional Focus document and the Assessment document. They both serve as GUIDES--not THE Curriculum. You have plenty of room for enacting your art. Best Wishes--JED
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PLEASE don't try to downplay the horrible nature of CSCOPE. It is a program that stifles the creative nature of a good teacher, wastes an exhorbitant amount of time and materials (reams and reams of paper for the IFD's alone!) an frustrates staff and students alike. Our school budget was cut by 70% so we could pay curriculum specialists' salaries and purchase CScope. Field trips, special events, student activity funds, supplements for non-core classes----no money. All funneled into CScope.

My 9th and 10th grade students are floundering in this sea of ridiculuous performance indicator driven dribble. For example...instead of me demonstrating and presenting TAKS tested objectives on fluids (hydraulics, viscosity, Bernoulli's principle, Pascal's Principle, etc) the Perf. Ind was for students to get in groups and research these and teach each other. NO labs...and for a district our size...we don't have enough computers for four classes of 20 kids each period to be doing online research. I faced off with the curriculum director and said "I won't!" and used my own labs and PowerPoint presentation animated notes. I'll probably be in trouble though.
Where are the 40% labs mandated by the state? Our district's implementation was punctuated with "this in non-negotiable" (ie - the performance indicators). The World History teacher is on his 6th project (2nd week of school here!) and the students are literally begging "can we have written notes on this? I don't understand it this way...". There is a time and place for group work. I do it all the time; however, teachers are still the primary facilitators.

Good luck to anyone involved in implementation. I feel sorry for the students and teachers involved. I feel sorry for myself....
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C-Scope is a nightmare for middle school science. Activities do NOT match the TEKS. There are errors everywhere. Too much time for some topics, not enough for others. Many objective don't make sense. I can't stand it.
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Training? There is no training. You bought the product, now use it.
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CSCOPE is the worst nightmare ever inflicted on a school. It is nice to see their employees and writers on here defending CSCOPE. HAHA, what a joke. CSCOPE is driving teachers out of the profession at a steady pace. Like a lot of curriculum, it is written by teachers that were largely ineffective in the classroom, either at teaching, discipline or both so they leave teaching and write curriculum. I want to see them come into my room and do a cscope lesson from scratch, they cannot do it, trust me.
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CScope does not come with any materials, book or otherwise.
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I totally agree with you. Why does a curriculum need to be mandated by the govenment. Isn't it about learning. My son graduated in 2006 and went to college for 1 1/2 years. He couldn't get it-too many books to deal with. From the time he was a freshman in High School he never broght a book home-not enough to go around. He never learned study skills. My daughter is a freshman in hs now and they have implemented the c-scope algebra. I asked he what book they were using and she said none. How do these kids learn how to study if there is no textbook?.... We need to revolt against the powers that be?
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CSCOPE is a curriculum. It sets out the "when" (Sequence and Scope) in the Year at a glance, and the "why" (student assessment- or what students should know, understand and be able to do) in the Instructional Focus document. The Vertical Alignment document explains the specificity of each TEKS and SE.
The curriculum is the critical part of any school's plan, and CSCOPE has done a solid job of that.
The "how" or instruction, are the lessons. The lessons in CSCOPE were designed as 'exemplar lessons". The intent was that they would be designed for use by novice teachers, teachers who were a bit shaky on content, teachers who had shifted either grade levels or content areas, and teachers who have not found success (ie have had low TAKS scores). The lessons were never intended to be a "do...or else" implementation. If that is how your instructional leaders are presenting it- please blame them for your anger/frustration. It's not the CSCOPE curriculum that deserves the blame.
Sometimes it's teachers who don't want to change...the students are loving the science. (I work at the elementary level)
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Except when you are trying to figure out the homework at home. The kids come home with packets of homework but with no explantaion. There are no notes. There are no example problems to refer back to. There is no math book. We struggle everynight with this homework.
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I am in a middle school that is using C-SCOPE. I used it for language arts at one point, and I am seeing it used in science and math. What follows is my own opinion but incorporates what I've seen and heard from colleages.
Overall, C-SCOPE is not worth what folks must be paying, as opposed to, say, a textbook adoption (which includes a whole package of professionally-produced curricular materials, ancillaries, and often technology products and training as well).
I will grant some of the advantages mentioned by others here: having a common scope/sequence accross a district or state is a luadable goal (although stability is purely idealistic, because public schools have been subject to "reform" constantly for nearly a century); and having some kind of lesson plans available for the unprepared teacher/sub/etc. seems prudent enough.
I differ with some above in that I think C-SCOPE is pedagogically better in Language Arts, although there is plenty of room for improvement and its implementation is still a lot of work for teachers (gathering/printing reading materials, as mentioned above).
For science, either it's working OK or else the teachers are not yet under as much pressure/scrutiny (due to NCLB), so thay are adapting/modifying/ignoring C-SCOPE as they see fit. And let's not forget that there are only 36 science TEKS at middle school, as opposed to 65 for math.
For math teachers, C-SCOPE seems generally frustrating, but you might well blame much of that on the Math TEKS themselves (perhaps the Math TEKS just don't make sense and aren't research-proven, or perhaps there are just too darn many of them). Some of the C-SCOPE math exemplar lessons are decent -- I would guess that these were written by a group of well-selected educators who had ample time and compensation to do a good job. The rest of the lessons seem thrown-together and untested.
If the keepers of C-SCOPE are indeed trying to collect feedback, something's not working right to turn it into improvement.
Overall, I'm angered that this use of taxpayer dollars isn't getting more scrutiny nor being held to higher standards. It's nothing new that teachers have little input, but not even the SBOE or local school boards are taking a close look at this thing.
But again I must emphasize that if you're going to criticize C-SCOPE, you must also direct some criticism at the TEKS themselves (and do so in detail for every subject and grade level). How are we so sure they are the right things to teach, and who has ever proved that they are teachable? That's a discussion for another day...
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When I first started writing about it, there were few references, but now, thankfully, there are others who have also written dissertations on C-Scope (CSCOPE).
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I thought nobody in Texas was using C-Scope anymore.

Are some districts still using it?
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